But I think where we've gotten so upside down with ICE is that the ICE folks are the hunters. They're the people who are hunting in communities. But they feel themselves to be the hunted. They feel themselves that they are the ones who should be in fear, because they're ill-trained, because they're in communities where they're not welcome, because they are doing something which the people around them are scared of and don't like and because they feel themselves to be the hunted. And I'm sure if you looked at ICE agents' cortisol levels, they're super high. I'm sure they are filled with fear and they're acting like people who are filled with fear, even though they're the ones who are causing all the fear. And it's a very bad dynamic.
-- David Plotz, host of Slate's Political Gabfest podcast, on the show's 16 July 2026 episode "The 'I'm His Lawyer' Edition"
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